Mr.
Adnan Oktar's live conversation with Channel 10 TV of Israel
(From Mr. Adnan
Oktar's live program on A9 TV, September 18th, 2011 )
ADNAN OKTAR: We greet all
our brothers in Israel, those Muslim, Christian and Jewish brothers. We love
them all. We feel so much compassion for them all. We want them to be good, to
be at ease. We want them to be in peace. We believe that we are in the End
Times. Yes. We believe that we are in the time of King Messiah, in other words,
the Moshiach. All the portents related in the Torah regarding the coming of the
King Messiah, the Moshiach have come true. That is all the signs regarding the
coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) have been realized. We see these portents both in
the Prophet Muhammad's (saas) hadiths and the Torah accounts. My friend will
read some of the related passages in the Torah and then I will proceed.
PRESENTER:
Peace and Tranquility
During the Time of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] According to the Torah
An End to Wars
Nation will not take up
sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isaiah, 2:4)
I will take away the
chariots from Ephraim and the war-horses from Jerusalem, and the battle bow
will be broken… (Zechariah, 9:10)
And
at that time, there will be no hunger or war, no jealousy or rivalry…
(Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings, 12:5)
An End to the
Arms Race
… burn them (the weapons)
up—the small and large shields, the bows and arrows, the war clubs and spears…
they will use them for fuel… (Ezekiel, 39: 9)
They
will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks.
(Isaiah, 2:4)
A Climate of
Peace and Security
Every man will sit under
his own vine and under his own fig tree, and no one will make them afraid...
(Micah, 4:4)
The fruit of righteousness
will be peace; the effect of righteousness will be quietness and confidence
forever. My people will live in peaceful dwelling places, in secure homes, in
undisturbed places of rest. (Isaiah, 32:16-18)
The wolf will live with
the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and
the yearling together, and a little child will lead them... The infant will
play near the hole of the cobra, and the young child put his hand into the
viper's nest. They will neither harm nor destroy... (Isaiah, 11:6-9)
... no one will make them
afraid. (Zephaniah, 3:13)
I will give him rest from
all his enemies on every side... (1 Chronicles, 22:9)
They will not… bear
children for calamity… (Isaiah, 65:23)
An End to
Violence and Terror
They will neither harm nor
destroy... (Isaiah, 11:9)
The meek will inherit the
land... (Psalm, 37:11)
The
wolf and the lamb will feed together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox,
but dust will be the serpent's food... (Isaiah, 65:25)
People will
Live in Happiness and Joy
Gladness and joy will
overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away. (Isaiah, 51:11)
Joy and gladness will be
found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing. (Isaiah, 51:3)
...
they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when
dividing the plunder. (Isaiah, 9:3)
...
everlasting joy will be theirs. (Isaiah, 61:7)
People will
Enjoy Peace and Security
It will be inhabited...
and secure. (Zechariah, 14:11)
I
will heal My people and will let them enjoy abundant peace and security. (Jeremiah,
33:6)
ADNAN OKTAR: This is enough
for the time being. Yes, our broadcast with Israel is still continuing now,
right? There are no problems whatsoever between the Turkish and the Israeli
people. Both sides love one another vey much. They regard one another as
brothers. This has been the case for centuries. When he met the Jews, our
Prophet (saas) used to take off his cassock and lay it underneath them. He made
them sit on it and conversed with them. Our Prophet (saas) married a Jewish
lady. He also married a Christian lady. You also know the Spanish period; Jews
were persecuted in Spain. We took them from Spain and brought here. To our most
beautiful city; we made them settle in the most distinguished district of our
most beautiful city [Istanbul] and we presented friendship and brotherhood to
them in the most favorable manner.
This
is tradition for us, in other words, we have always possessed feelings of
compassion and protection towards the Jews. And it will henceforth be so.
Therefore, this crisis is only temporary, it is inappropriate to look at the
circumstance and think that this will get worse, or eventually turn into either
fight or war. There will not be any war and there will be no fight. On the
contrary there will only be peace and brotherhood because we are in the Era of
the Mashiach.
Israel
together with Palestine and Turkey will be right in the midst of all kinds of
beauties and all other blessings. Our Israeli brothers will embrace the
Palestinian brothers. The fight will end. Those walls will be torn down, those
giant walls, tall and high walls. Check points will also be removed. Because
peace and brotherhood will prevail, this is what we see in the hadiths of our
Prophet (saas). The Messenger of Allah (saas) has described the End Times in
minute detail, that is the time of the Mahdi (pbuh). In the same way, we see
this in the Torah just as we have read from the Torah, you have also seen. We
are in the time that the Torah has informed of. The King Mashiach has come; the
Mahdi has come. Let us rejoice it. For that reason the sounds of fight and
noises of war should be removed from now on, and those will be removed and you
will witness these, too. In about ten to twenty years, a great brotherhood and
peace will prevail in the region. Our brothers should feel the enjoyment of
this. They should not be at unnecessary unease.
Surely Jews are brothers
in religion with one another, and so are the Muslims. With our Jewish brothers,
on the other hand, we are brothers in this world. And we feel compassion and
respect for their views and beliefs. We are not of the opinion that anyone
should suffer any intervention and repression due to his creed, for in the Qur'an
Allah makes it explicit that "there is no compulsion in the religion."
Noone can ever distort Allah's provision. Noone can be forced to convert into
Islam. A religion is religion if it is embraced liberally. If compulsion is in
question, it ceases to be religion. So let our Israeli brothers have this
notion on their minds. Let them consider it [Islam] this way. 3 thousand years
ago, the Torah heralded that we would be seeing those beautiful days. Our
Prophet (saas), al-Muhammad al-Mustapha, also provided detailed information to
us 1400 years ago about it. All the portents of the King Mashiach have
appeared. The flow of the Euphrates stopped, the two comets, namely Halley
Comet and Lulin Comet, appeared. Qa'ba was stormed and solar and lunar eclipses
during the month of Ramadan occurred 15 days apart. They all came true. Yes,
now let's proceed with reading of Torah passages.
PRESENTER:
People will
Live in Happiness and Joy
Gladness and joy will
overtake them, and sorrow and sighing will flee away. (Isaiah, 51:11)
Joy and gladness will be
found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing. (Isaiah, 51:3)
...
they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when
dividing the plunder. (Isaiah, 9:3)
...
everlasting joy will be theirs. (Isaiah 61:7)
People will
Enjoy Peace and Security
It will be inhabited...
and secure. (Zechariah, 14:11)
I
will heal My people and will let them enjoy abundant peace and security.
(Jeremiah, 33:6)
Danger and Worry
will Vanish
No lion will be there, nor
will any ferocious beast get up on it; they will not be found there. (Isaiah,
35:9)
...
no one will make him afraid. (Jeremiah, 30:10)
Justice will
Rule the World
Justice
will dwell in the desert and righteousness live in the fertile field. (Isaiah,
32:16)
Mashiach will
Establish World Peace
... (Mashiach) shall speak
peace unto the nations. (Zechariah, 9:10)
... All lands will serve
him because of his great righteousness, and wonders will be revealed through
him... (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Sanhedrin 10:1)
(In
the time of Mashiach) battles and wars will cease... They will not lift a
sword, nation against nation. (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah, Sanhedrin 10:1)
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Mr Oktar, we have
questions please here from Israel.
ADNAN
OKTAR: Yes, please go on.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: It seems to us that you are the last pro- Israeli person
left in all of Turkey.
TRANSLATOR: Could you please repeat your question?
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: It seems to us here in
Israel that you are the last
pro-Israeli Turkish citizen left in Turkey.
ADNAN
OKTAR: No.
No, never think this way. In order to accomplish it, you must conduct a public
survey. Conduct it in Turkey, in Israel. You will see that Israelis love Turkey
and similarly Turks like Israelis. You can only understand this by means of a
public survey.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: But you know we hear many
criticism from Prime Minister Erdogan.
ADNAN
OKTAR: They
are transient. In the midst of
political activities, in the political world, such crises, such tensions
appear. What is important is the general opinion of the Turkish and the Israeli
people. We need to lay stress upon this point and this can only be realized by
means of a public survey.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: The Israeli viewers would
like to know if you have good relations with the PM Erdogan. Because we heard
that two representatives from your organization came here to Israel. It seems
to me that you can play a mediator in this crisis.
ADNAN
OKTAR: We
are already carrying out such an activity. We are carrying out such kind of
activity. I love Israelis because they are the descendant of prophets. They are
the sons of the Prophet Abraham (pbuh), the Prophet Israel (pbuh), that is the
Prophet Jacob (pbuh); they are the grandsons of prophets. Surely I love them.
Palestinians, on the other hand, are the sons of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh).
Surely I love them. Surely I would not like any conflicts to happen between
brothers. We want bliss, joy and peace to prevail and the region to enjoy a
climate of feast. We want the entire region to enjoy prosperity, peace and
ease, brotherhood and security. While this is utterly easy, it has become
terribly complicated by the effect of satan. But in the provisions of the
3-thousand-years-old-Torah, we see the statements of King Messiah, the Mashiach
relating that they will ensure this ease and beauty. We also see them in the
1400-years-old hadith of our Prophet (saas). Consequently the time is up. Also
according to the Torah and the hadith of our Prophet (saas), we are in the End
Times, a time close to the Day of Judgment. That is we are [at the last phases
of time] close to the Day of Judgment .
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Can you please tell us about the visit of
your representatives to Israel? Can you please share with us your thoughts
first of all about this visit? And did you convey some sort of message between
the Israeli government and Prime Minister Erdogan?
ADNAN
OKTAR: Of
course, we mentioned it previously. Everyone knows that I love Israelis. They are
the lineage of prophets. I love Palestinians dearly. You are all my brothers;
both the sons of Prophet Ishmael (pbuh) and the sons of Prophet Israel (pbuh)
are my brothers. Surely I love them all. I would by no means wish for a
conflict or a tension to happen. We surely make an effort for this end.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Did you talk with Prime Minister Erdogan
about the recent situation?
ADNAN
OKTAR: No,
no. I did not talk to him.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: And tell me do you have a plan, a well
plan to restore the peace between Turkey and Israel? Do you have a certain
likewise we can do let's say build concrete steps around it?
ADNAN
OKTAR: Insha'Allah
you will see that King Messiah (pbuh) will establish the peace. Within 5-10
years time, a great beauty will prevail and you will see this.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: What do you think that we should do right
now in order to restore the relations between the two nations?
ADNAN
OKTAR: Muslims
will act in compliance with the Qur'an while Jews will act in compliance with
the Torah. We are the servants of Allah. We must love each other a lot. We must
positively approach one another with peace, and think for the best.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: What do you think of the Prime Minister
Netanyahu regarding these latest actions?
ADNAN
OKTAR: They
are not important at all. They will all calm down. Everyone will be positive
and beautiful. You will see this in time. They are entirely transient.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: And also you said that you have friends in the Israeli
government. Eli Yishai is one of them right?
ADNAN OKTAR: I did not understand?
ADNAN OKTAR: Sure, sure, sure, sure... Let us
read from the Torah for a while, then we may continue.
The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Possess Love
and Compassion
For he will deliver the needy who
cry out, the afflicted who have no one to help. (Psalm, 72:12)
He will have pity on the poor and
needy, and the souls of the needy he will save. (Psalm, 72:13)
He will redeem their soul from
oppression and violence, and precious will their blood be in his sight. (Psalm,
72:14)
A bruised reed shall he not
break, and the dimly burning wick shall he not quench... (Isaiah, 42:3)
The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Epitomize Allah's title of
the Salam (Peace)
... Prince of Peace. (Isaiah,
9:6)
Of the increase of... peace,
there will be no end... (Isaiah, 9:7)
The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will be Patient and
Submissive to Allah
He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as
a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth. (Isaiah,
53:7)
The End of Troubles during the time of Hazrat Mahdi
(pbuh) [King Messiah]
The Sovereign Lord will wipe away
the tears from all faces... (Isaiah, 25:8)
Then will the eyes of the blind be
opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped. Then will the lame leap like a deer,
and the mute tongue shout for joy... (Isaiah, 35:5-6)
In his days ... prosperity will
abound till the moon is no more. (Psalm, 72:7)
(They)... will enjoy great peace.
(Psalm, 37:11)
... You have shattered the yoke
that burdens them, the bar across their shoulders, the rod of their
oppressor... (Isaiah, 9:4)
(The) Lord will give you the
desires of your heart. (Psalm, 37:4)
They will not toil in vain...
(Isaiah, 65:23)
The Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Teach and Call
People to Allah's Path
... and he will therefore (be
able to) teach the people the ways of God. (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah,
Repentance 9:2)
He shall teach... people and
instruct them in the way of God. He will... repair the breaches... (Maimonides,
Mishnah Torah, Laws of Kings 11:4)
... He (King Messiah) will then
perfect the entire world, to serve God together... (Maimonides, Mishnah Torah,
Laws of Kings 11:4)
The Message of the Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will Influence the World
He will strike the earth with
the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked.
(Isaiah 11:4)
ADNAN OKTAR: That is fine. Now let us refer to
the hadiths of our Prophet (saas) that tell us about the End Times. Now let us
listen to that part, the words of our Prophet (saas).
Hazrat
Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will shed not
one drop of blood and will not awaken the sleeper
Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] is someone who avoids war, a man of peace. Hazrat
Mahdi (pbuh) [King
Messiah] will
cause the moral values of the Qur'an to rule the world through love, not
through war. The fact that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will bring about the rule of the moral values of the
deen [the religion of Islam] through peace and love, which represents one of
his main distinguishing features, is described as follows in the hadith:
People
will seek refuge in the Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] as honey bees cluster around their sovereign. He will
fill the world that was once full of cruelty, with justice. His justice will be
as such that he will not wake a sleeping person not even on drop of blood is
shed. The earth will return to the age of happiness.
ADNAN OKTAR: You can likewise stress the name King Mashiach, King
Messiah. They are both the same; Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and Mashiach (pbuh). They
are both the same person.
Hazrat
Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah]
will
follow the way of the Prophet (saas). He will not wake up a sleeping person or
no blood will be shed.
In the
time of [King Messiah]
no
one will be woken up from their sleep or have a bleeding nose.
Those who
swear allegiance to him [Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh)] will swear allegiance between the
Corner and the Maqam [near the Kaaba]. They will not waken the sleeper, and
they will never shed blood.
Our Prophet
(saas) tells us that Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) [King Messiah] will
put an end to strife, war and conflict by waging an intellectual campaign
against all these. We are told in hadith that in the time of Hazrat Mahdi
(pbuh), in other words King Mashiach, all weapons will fall silent and
wars will come to an end, and that peace, love and justice will rule the world
following the coming of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) and the Prophet Jesus (pbuh).
ADNAN OKTAR: Emphasize that he [Hazrat Mahdi] is
the King Messiah from time to time. Emphasize that they are both the same
person.
PRESENTER: Ok inshaAllah.
War (competents) will lay down its burden (arms and the
like).
War (competents) put down their weighs [their weapons,
etc.].
Enmity and hatred between people will cease… Like the
cup fills with water, so will earth fill with peace... There will be religious
unity. Nobody but Allah will be worshipped. War will put down its burden.
There will be no enmity left between any people. And
all hostility, fighting, and envy will definitely disappear.
As indicated in the reference to the "burden of
war," all forms of violence, oppression, fighting…
ADNAN OKTAR: Since I don't understand English, I
don't know what you're telling. Which issue are you telling? What's the latest
that you told?
PRESENTER: I just told
the hadith.
ADNAN OKTAR: Which hadith?
PRESENTER: About the ending of wars and the hostility…
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, yes, go on. Look, explanations
of our Prophet (saas) and the Torah are compatible.
PRESENTER: Later on I read the explanation of the hadith.
ADNAN OKTAR: Alright good. Go on.
PRESENTER: In total
contrast to the system of the antichrist, therefore, the system of Hazrat Mahdi
(pbuh) in other words King Mashiach will
be a compassionate…
ADNAN OKTAR: Mention the names King Mashiach and
the Mahdi (pbuh) together.
PRESENTER: Yes that's how I mentioned.
… well-intentioned and rational one based on human love
and respect. Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh) in other words King Mashiach will establish
justice across the world, yet "not one drop of blood will be spilled."
His time will be one that reflects true peace and love.
ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: You know Mr. Oktar when I hear your
Islam, it sounds so different than the Islam of Mr. Erdogan.
ADNAN OKTAR: Erdogan, Prime Minister Erdogan is
compassionate. Trust the guarantee I'm giving. I mean he wouldn't desire war.
He's not the kind of person to put on a scene, to start war. He's a man of
peace. Don't pay attention to the those statements. I can give you guarantee on
behalf of Mr. Erdogan. The will neither be war, nor mayhem, or any other
calamity. There surely is some sorrow and tension due to this event. But this
wouldn't turn into something in terms of violence or war. He is also a
compassionate, merciful, God fearing person who loves people, supports peace
and democracy. You can count on my word for this.
ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: What do we need to do regarding to
Mavi Marmara and the Palmer report in the UN?
ADNAN OKTAR: What needs to be done here is to
receive the general opinion of Israeli people and whatever opinion they have,
that is what it is. Nothing else other than that can be considered. Because
apology can neither be imposed nor be insisted on. Apology can only be
admissible when it is heartfelt. Israeli public should apologize if they feel
like it. But they shouldn't if they don't
feel like it. That would be the right thing.
ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: And about the Palestinian
application at the United Nations?
ADNAN OKTAR: They will all be brothers. There is
no such thing. One side is the sons of the Prophet Ishmael (pbuh), the other
side is the sons of the Prophet Jacob (pbuh), in other words Prophet Israel (pbuh).
There can always be a fight between the sons but this will result in peace.
Because we are in the era of King Messiah, the Mahdi (pbuh). You will see what
I am saying is true. They will be embracing each other and become brothers,
security measures will be removed too, the region will be in a state of
splendid wealth, beauty and peace. Israeli youngsters and Palestinian
youngsters will have fun together. These are purely artificial problems.
Problems arising under the inculcation of satan. All these [problems] will be
eliminated. Attentively watch how the history proceeds; you will see that what
I am telling is the truth.
ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: But when will it happen? You sound
very optimistic.
ADNAN OKTAR: This is already happening now; it
[the process] is going on. All the portents that were revealed in the Torah
have already been come true. All the portents that our Prophet (saas) foretold
have realized. And, currently the events have been proceeding in this way.
Everyone looking with an attentive eye would see this. One must not attach
importance to these transient conflicts or tension.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Tell me, last question, sir if could you tell me when are
you coming to visit us, here in Israel?
ADNAN OKTAR: I earnestly wish for that. I love you very much. I would
like to hold the cheeks of those little Israeli kids, caress them. I would like
to embrace you people. I would like to embrace Palestinian youngsters. I love
all of you. I send my greetings and respect to all of you. I would like to send
my most profound love and affection to all Muslims, Christians and Jews. We
will meet soon and embrace one another. Everyone will be free, let your heart
be at ease. All these tensions and these fights will come to an end.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Did Eli Yishai invite you here, to Israel?
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, there is an official invitation. But as you may
know, due to my current state here, it is quite unlikely. But I would very much
like to come. I would like to give my greetings and love to Mr. Shlomo Amar the
Chief Rabbi in Israel, and I would like to give my greetings and love to Mr.
Eliyahu too. I send my greetings to all my Jewish, Christian and Muslim
brothers.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Tell me you know that there was a criticism about
Palestinians not willing to accept Israel as a Jewish State. What do you think
about this concept?
ADNAN OKTAR: Would
such mindset be plausible? Those lands are the lands of your grandfathers, all
the prophets. They belong to those forefathers of yours who were the prophets.
Their graves are in those lands. Everything you possess are there. You will
surely live there. In the Qur'an too Allah designated those lands to you. It is
your homeland. You will live there in quite ease and beauty. It [not
acknowledging you as a country there] is out of question. Allah settled you
there. You will surely be there; as free people and at utter ease. You will be
entitled to live freely everywhere in the world. The tension over you will be
completely defused. Because we are in the time of King Messiah (pbuh). The
sufferings of Palestinians will also come to an end. The tension over our Arab
brothers and all the Islamic world will be defused and an age of peace and ease
will come. You will see this.
ISRAEL CHANNEL 10 TV: You know you have a very unique
voice coming from Islamic world. The public opinion in Turkey and in Egypt and even
in Jordan, it's all against Israel right now.
ADNAN OKTAR: Allah does not let the world without
a protector. That is, it will be in the hands of Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh). Thus you
will be in security, so do the Muslims and Christians. That is, the world is
not proceeding towards the unknown. Allah holds it under His sway. By means of
Hazrat Mahdi (pbuh), Allah will put it in order. Let your heart be at ease
about this issue. What all our prophets told us came true. The entire words of
Prophet Moses (pbuh) also came true. That is, we must trust in Allah.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Mr. Oktar, thank you very much. I wish you well. And I hope that you will come to Israel pretty soon.
You know, amen, we hope that peace will come upon us soon.
ADNAN OKTAR: I love you all. I dearly embrace all
the Muslims, Christians and Jews. Good bye and may Allah's peace be upon you.
ISRAEL
CHANNEL 10 TV: Thank you very much.
ADNAN OKTAR: I thank you too.
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