ALL EYES ARE BLIND;
IT IS THE EYE IN THE BRAIN THAT SEES, WHICH IS THE EYE OF THE SOUL
(Excerpt from Mr.
Adnan Oktar's live interview on March 16th, 2010)
ADNAN OKTAR: "Who created me, and it is He Who guides me.
Who gives me food and drink." (Surah Ash-Shuara, 78-79) In other
words, he says, "I do not eat and drink myself." He says He [Allah]
is the One Who carries out the acts of eating and drinking. For instance he
takes a spoon and starts eating. It is Allah Who brings the action and image of
eating, completely everything, into being. In other words, a person cannot say,
"I have eaten." Allah makes him eat. "Who gives me drink." (Surah Ash-Shuara, 78-79) I said just the
other day: that I am drinking linden tea. Allah lifts the cup into the air, brings
it to me and allows me to drink. He makes my hand His instrument. Allah shows
my hand as if it exists. Whereas it is Allah Who creates my hand in my brain.
My hand does exist on the outside, but it is transparent because of its atomic
structure. I have explained that before. But I have no direct experience of
that transparent hand. I only experience the image in my brain. Allah creates
the act of drinking inside my brain. Therefore, look when I lift it up, it is
Allah Who brings it from there to here and pours out the contents. Allah
performs the act of pouring. And then Almighty Allah puts it back in its place.
See? He uses my hand as His instrument and I replace it. But Pelin may not know
about this. You are now watching me here. But I am an image in your brain.
Isn't that right?
PRESENTER: True.
ADNAN OKTAR: Right. My voice also forms in your brain.
That is also true. Do you hear my voice in your brain?
PRESENTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: That is also
true.
PRESENTER: I hear by
means of my brain.
ADNAN OKTAR: The sound
waves belonging to my voice come towards you. They reach your ear. But it is
not the ear that does hear. The ear just transmits them to the brain, and you
therefore hear inside your brain. You hear the electric current that reaches
the brain, inside your brain. For example, does that cup you are drinking tea
out of exist in your brain, or on the outside?
PRESENTER: Again in the
brain?
ADNAN OKTAR: It again
forms in the brain, of course. You do not have direct experience of the cup on
the outside. It does exist on the outside, but it is transparent.
PRESENTER: But there is
the cup.
ADNAN OKTAR: The cup does
exist on the outside. But the cup you have direct experience of is the one in
your brain, isn't it?
PRESENTER: They are
both the same cup.
ADNAN OKTAR: But the cup
you have direct experience of, the one you experience and refer to as that cup,
is the image in your brain. You do not directly experience the one on the
outside. That is different. It is a separate object. The world you are living and
experiencing is what is important. What you call the cup is the image in your
brain. The taste out of the cup also forms in your brain. The sense of touch
also arises in the brain. Therefore, since it is Allah Who creates all these,
it is also Allah Who makes you drink from the cup and makes you eat. Allah
creates them all. Allah also says, "I have created" external matter.
But that is again a shadow entity. In other words, the atom does not in fact
have the structure we assume. Atom is the condensed form energy, it is the
condensed energy. Therefore, if we were able to look at the atom through an
objective eye, in fact all we could see would be darkness. Even though if we
eliminated that darkness, we would see that matter is transparent. Because the
components of the atom, that are the neutrons, protons and electrons, are all
at a distance from one another. That is why they have such a perforated
structure and they look transparent due to that distance. Also there is no
color on the outside and it is the brain that perceives color. That is the
interpretation of the brain. There is no such thing as red or green on the
outside. There is no color or light on the outside. There are waves, only
waves. But the brain perceives these waves as light. For instance, when we look
at the Sun, the Sun is actually pitch black, totally dark. The Sun just emits
photons, light rays. But we receive the light rays in waves, and the brain
perceives those waves as light. Not that any such thing exists on the outside.
Did you know that?
PRESENTER: No, I have
just learned it from you.
ADNAN OKTAR: This is a
fact confirmed by modern science. All scientists are in agreement on this
subject. On this being as described. For example, I am now speaking to you. I
am speaking inside your brain. Is that right?
PRESENTER: Yes, so it
would seem, from what you were just saying.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course. As I speak to you, I am also speaking
to you inside my brain. When I say [your name] 'Pelin' for instance, a pleasant
image forms in my brain. And I have direct experience of that. My hand and your
hand are in the same place. My face and yours are in the same place, right in
my brain.
PRESENTER: Interesting.
ADNAN OKTAR: Definitely.
This is also a scientific fact. I am speaking as if you were right across to
me, about a meter away. But that is not the truth. I form totally inside you.
We are actually speaking one within the other. Your voice and mine form in the
same place. This is a scientific fact that nobody can deny. It is a fact that
neither believers nor non-believers can deny.
ALTUG BERKER: Just like in
a dream.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, like in
a dream. Don't we speak like this, to one another, in our dreams?
PRESENTER: Yes.
ADNAN OKTAR: But we are
in the same place, aren't we? But it looks as if we are apart from one another,
doesn't it? This world is a dream exactly the same way. One moves from dream to
dream, but to a clearer dream. We will move on to a much sharper dream when we
die. But it will still be like a dream. That is the system Allah has created.
Almighty Allah informs about this when He says, "Who gives me food and drink." "And when I am ill, it is He Who cures me." (Surah Ash-Shuara,
80) For example, he goes to the doctor, but the doctor is created inside his
brain. He picks up medicines, a tiny little thing like that. He is shown a tiny
white thing, called a pill, inside his brain. But note that this is still an
image in the brain. He is shown that he is swallowing it and he imagines that
the medicine made him well. But it is not the medicine that cures him. Allah
makes the medicine an instrument but Allah is the One Who directly creates the
cure, that good health. However the general public suppose they recover because
he took that Aspirin or Gripin. Such a thing is impossible.
PRESENTER: If one is
going to get better, that is what will happen. So is there then any need to
take the medicine at all?
ADNAN OKTAR: No, one must
still embrace natural causes. They exist. For example, I have to have an
intention to reach out with my hand to this cup of linden tea. And I am given a
feeling of reaching out with my hand. The cup is brought towards me. I have
that intention to do it. But the system in the Paradise is not like that. When
I have the sense of the cup, of drinking, the cup is brought towards me. There
is no need to reach out with my hand. It comes directly close to me, of its own
accord.
PRESENTER: Like doing
it through the power of thought.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes. It will
directly come nearer as if I have my hand out to it. Now, my hand is lying here
still, and it is an object made of flesh and blood, isn't it? But normally,
flesh and blood does not have capacity to listen. For instance, if we tell a
piece of meat we get from the butcher, "Meat move right now", it will
not move or do anything. There is the soul that commands the flesh what to do.
That is the Spirit of Allah. The soul Allah has breathed into us. We tell our
flesh to "Raise your hand", and the flesh lifts the hand into the
air. We tell it to pick the cup up, and it does so. But that is all shown to us
that way, inside our brains.
PRESENTER: But Allah is
the One Who cures and heals the sick. The person will be cured or otherwise,
whether he takes his medicine or not.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course,
that is correct.
PRESENTER: But if he is
not going to get better even if gets the medicine, then it does not matter how
much medicine he takes. So, if he is going to get better, is there any need for
him to take that medicine? I reach this kind of a question.
ADNAN OKTAR: Natural
causes are very important. One needs to employ all kinds of natural causes. For
example, one falls ill in the cold. Then he has to dress up in the cold. One
can fall ill or even die if he does not eat at all. Then he must definitely
eat. Allah requires that we employ these natural causes. Allah has created a
perfect artistry of causes. He has created a chain of causes and one needs to
get use of all these causes. Your hair will not look tidy if you don't comb it.
For example, Allah creates all kinds of clothing. Allah says, "He made you garments" (Surah
An-Nahl, 81). That is right, isn't it? Allah says, "He gives us food and drink." Allah creates all kinds of
clothing. He says "He made you
garments." In this verse Allah says He is the One, Who causes us to be
dressed. Allah gives the impression that clothing is made in the readymade
garment workshop. But clothes actually form inside our brains. Everyone wears
the clothes in his brain. He cannot wear any clothing on the outside. He cannot
drive a car on the outside. For instance, when you get in your car, Allah gives
you the image that you drive off. You suppose that you have gone off. That is a
perception your brain gives you. For example, if you pay attention, you will
see there is an oval screen in front of us. There is a car on the outside, but
Allah never allows us to have direct experience with it. We always perceive and
interact with its image. Nobody can ever have direct experience of the object
on the outside. It is not possible. It is as if one continually watches on a
monitor or a television screen in his brain. And do you know the size of that
television screen? It is just that big [as the tip of a pen].
PRESENTER: The blind
spot?
ADNAN OKTAR: No, the
center for conscious perception in the brain. Just that big, a tiny piece of
flesh. A tiny piece of flesh with blood flowing through it. The entire
universe, the whole world, and life itself forms there. For example, a man
looking at the Sun or the Moon says, "How perfect the Moon looks, it has
opened out as a full Moon." He looks at the Moon, but does he actually see
the Moon in his brain or the Moon on the outside?
PRESENTER: He sees the
Moon inside his brain.
ADNAN OKTAR: Surely, the
one in his brain. In other words, nobody can see the Moon on the outside. They
cannot see the real Moon. There is a real Moon, but they cannot see it.
PRESENTER: Is it
transparent?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course,
all the matter on the outside is transparent. It has to be like that because of
its structure. It stems from the neutrons, protons and electrons being at a
distance from one another. And there is no light on the outside. Light forms
directly in the brain. The outside is pitch darkness, totally black. There is
not the slightest sound on the outside. Sound is also the brain's interpretation.
You know the brain converts sound waves into electrical impulses. The brain
then receives that electric current as sound. That is how the brain interprets
the electricity. Images also come to the brain as electrical impulses. The
brain interprets that electric current as an image. All ears are deaf. A
person's ears hear nothing. It is the ear in the brain that hears. That is the
ear of the soul. And no eyes see. All eyes are blind, all of them. A person's
both eyes are blind. It is the eye in the brain that sees, which is the eye of
the soul. Human eye does not see. How would it see anyway? The two eyes are
just cameras, merely cameras made of flesh. These cameras just convert the
image into electrical energy; that is all. They have no other specialty other
then transmitting them to the brain. Finally they arrive at the center for
conscious perception and he sees all in that center of consciousness.
PRESENTER: So can we
infer from what you have said about the center of consciousness, that this small
piece of flesh you call the center for conscious perception is where the body
and soul communicate? That it is a spot where they touch one another? Can one
say that?
ADNAN OKTAR: Allah
creates consciousness as a natural cause. Look, causes are really important.
Allah has a causal artistry. When we say where they meet, that address in our
consciousness is there. It happens to be that tiny piece of flesh. Allah says
they meet there, and He shows us that place. He creates a natural cause for
that, in other words.
PRESENTER: That is also
a natural cause.
ADNAN OKTAR: Just a
natural cause. First of all, Allah has created a wonderful chain of causes. For
example, I hand the Qur'an to you. In fact, Allah is handing it to you. But it
looks as if I am doing it. Or I open up a page in the Qur'an and the related
page comes up. In fact, Allah opens up that page. I begin reading and speaking,
but Allah is the One Who speaks. Allah creates my voice. We are souls that are
in submission to Allah inside our brains. Otherwise, we have no other features.
Our bodies do exist on the outside as an object, but it is in pitch darkness on
the outside. There are no scientists in the world who argue anything contrary
to this. They all agree with this be they irreligious or believers. It is an
explicit fact.
PRESENTER: I
understand.
ADNAN OKTAR: But only one
person in a million in society knows about this truth. Very few people know it.
For example, someone has a fight. But he has a fight with a person in his own
brain. He can never fight with the person on the outside. Allah creates that
fight. For instance he shouts and screams and becomes quite furious, saying,
"All my money has gone" or "My house has burnt down." But
it is the money in his brain that disappears, or the house in his brain that
burns down. Someone counting his dollars is actually counting the dollars in
his brain. He can never have direct experience with the dollars on the outside.
The electric impulses received from his eyes transmit the image of those
dollars to his brain. The electric current is then turned into dollars in his
brain. It becomes a perceivable image and the soul sees it. And the person has
experience of the illusory dollars in his brain. He can never come in contact
with the real.
PRESENTER: So when that
man is weeping over his house that has burned down, he is weeping for the house
in his brain. But the house on the outside is also burning down at the same
time. Isn't it?
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course
there is a house on the outside. It has existence on the outside but…
PRESENTER: It [the
house on the outside] is also burning.
ADNAN OKTAR: [But] not in
the way he supposes. If he saw the burning outside, for instance when a thing
burns it gives off great light, but burning on the outside does not take place
in that way.
PRESENTER: How does it
happen? Do we know how it is?
ADNAN OKTAR: The outside
is as black as pitch. So in essence burning gives off no light. And matter is
transparent, because its structure is transparent. For example, there are no
sounds of sirens on the outside. The sound of the siren is created in the
brain. When the fire engines arrive, they do so with flashing red lights. But
there is no such thing as red color on the outside. The brain interprets it as
red. That is the marvel of Allah's creation. In other words, it is not matter
at all in the sense we are familiar with. That is also created as a shadow
entity on the outside. Allah is the absolute entity and those we see are not
entities in the sense that we perceive, they all are created as shadow entities.
Allah is the only absolute being. Allah is outside time and space, in other
words He is beyond time and space. But we are bound with time and space.
PRESENTER: So we cannot
perceive it.
ADNAN OKTAR: Right.
People are pretty much unaware of this fact. For example, I talk about
Darwinism, but if people knew about this topic, it would be impossible for them
to be Darwinists, because this is something far over and above Darwinism.
Darwinism would just melt away in it, it would evaporate. Nobody would ever
appeal to Darwinism at all because this is the reality that causes Darwinism
and all other heretical philosophies to evaporate away into nothing.
ALTUG BERKER: The
Hereafter is thus comprehended fully.
ADNAN OKTAR: One will
understand the Hereafter, death and everything else then. He will comprehend
the might of Allah, the Paradise and Hell and everything else. But it terrifies
people, so they are reluctant to think about it. It does not serve the purpose
of some people, while some are afraid to ponder on it. And there are others
that really do not understand.
PRESENTER: That may be.
Everyone's capacity of understanding is different, so they may not understand.
ADNAN OKTAR: But a person
with a soul understands it, in other words one has to have a soul. It is
impossible for one to have a soul and not grasp this fact. If he is a specially
created being, and I mean if Allah has not breathed His spirit into him, he
cannot comprehend it. One cannot grasp this fact if he is a dead entity. As you
know, not all people are alive. Many people are dead, these are wandering
around outside. Allah states this in a verse of the Qur'an,
PRESENTER: I did not
know that.
ADNAN OKTAR: Of course.
Allah states that "(They are
things) dead, lifeless" (Surah An-Nahl, 21), and says you know not.
ALTUG BERKER: They have
"eyes wherewith they see not."
(Surah Al-Araf, 179)
ADNAN OKTAR: They have
eyes to see with, He says. But their eyes do not see. They have ears to hear
with, but their ears do not hear, He says. (Surah Al-Araf, 195)
PRESENTER: So people
like that are the ones who do not understand.
ADNAN OKTAR: Yes, they do
not understand. When I say they do not understand, it is not from a lack of
conception, but because they are robotic. Such human beings consist of flesh
and bone, nothing else. They talk and act with the third identity in their
brains. You therefore imagine they are conscious. People sometimes wake up and
talk in their dreams, have you ever seen that? They talk and give normal,
rational replies. For example, if you ask, "How are you?" the person
dreaming will say, "very well, thanks." But he is actually asleep and
has no idea what he has just said. A person goes to sleep under hypnosis and as
a matter of fact, a person literally dies under hypnosis, because his soul is
gone. A person under hypnosis is dead. But he stands up and his eyes are open.
"Can you see me?" you ask. "Perfectly" he says. "Who
am I?" you ask. "You are my friend," he answers. "How are you?"
you ask. And, "very well indeed, thanks, and how are you?" he
responds. Then the other person, the one in front of him says, "I am a
tiger." He will really see that person as a tiger, won't he? "You see
that I am a tiger right now. Yes I am a talking tiger," he says. And he
responds, "Yes." In fact, he really sees that man clearly as a
talking tiger. He is sure of it even if it does not exist. At that moment, he
is a dead entity. Allah shows him this, in that form. But when he wakes up, he
enters an entirely different world. Hypnotists know all about this. It is
something widespread and well-known. Have you ever thought about this before,
Pelin? This aspect of matter?
PRESENTER: No.
ADNAN OKTAR: You have
never done so, have you?
PRESENTER: No.
ADNAN OKTAR: For example,
if a person wants he can enter into his brain, in other words a person is able
to draw himself into his consciousness. When he enters into his consciousness,
that flesh and bone may assume a different state. A person may become something
totally different.
PRESENTER: How?
ADNAN OKTAR: He literally
feels that he is a soul. He comprehends he is solely a soul. He feels he is a
soul consisting of an image, because one only has direct experience of the
image in his brain. Nobody has ever had any contact with matter on the outside,
nobody since the time of the Prophet Adam (pbuh). That is impossible. Only
Allah knows the original matter on the outside. Human beings cannot know it.
But this reality is being explained to the people so clearly that, in my view,
it will become much clearer in the years ahead, and more people will grasp and
many more will understand this reality.
